I guess the GOP doesn't like the Gang of Six plan

Why? Well, funny you should ask

“Background guidance: The President killed any chance of its success by 1) Embracing it. 2) Hailing the fact that it increases taxes. 3) Saying it mirrors his own plan,” a GOP leadership aide e-mailed to Politico’s Playbook.

That’s right. Now we know that there is no such thing as compromise. Period. No matter what Obama agrees to, if he looks like he likes it, they need to change it. We’re at a point where the focus isn’t on the substance, but making sure it’s a “victory” over Obama.

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22 responses to “I guess the GOP doesn't like the Gang of Six plan

  1. Watching this from outside the US, I do not, really, understand why no one at all is stopping this farce really.  So Obama tries to do his job, the GOP block it.  Others try to do their jobs, and Obama likes it, they block it.  But yet they pin the failure of anything working on Obama.  Unless and until he sides with the GOP or does enough drastic backpeddling that he might as well not have done nothing at all.

    Seriously, WTF is up with your Government?  Or your people?  Why is this still happening?  It’s frustrating for me, I can only imagine what it’s like for people living “on the inside” as it were.

    • You don’t see it Keth because the media won’t report it, but a substantial population of this country does not want any more borrowing without concrete assurances that spending is being reined in.

      What’s “wrong” here is that we are borrowing $1.5T per year to fund government, and the number of Americans who have had enough is beginning to reach critical mass.

      • Again, you are either a liar of an idiot.

        http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/19/polls-americans-want-compromise-in-debt-ceiling-standoff/

        An ABC/Washington Post poll
        released Tuesday indicates that more than six in ten Americans say any
        agreement on the deficit needs to include a combination of spending cuts
        and new taxes. According to the survey, large majorities of Democrats
        and independent voters support the combined approach, with nearly half
        of Republicans also in agreement.

        An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll
        also out Tuesday indicates that 58 percent of Americans support the
        president’s proposal, which would reduce the federal deficit by $4
        trillion dollars over the next decade by cutting federal spending,
        increasing taxes on corporations and the wealthy, and reducing the level
        of spending on Medicare. Thirty-six percent of those questioned say
        they support a proposal by Republicans in Congress which would reduce
        the Federal deficit by $2.5 trillion over the next decade by cutting
        Federal spending and would not raise taxes on corporations or the
        wealthy.

        A CBS News poll
        released Monday indicates that two-thirds of Americans say any
        agreement should include spending cuts and tax increases, with 28
        percent saying a deal should only include spending cuts and 3 percent
        saying it should only include tax increases. According to the survey,
        there is little partisan divide on the question. More than seven out of
        ten Democrats and more than two-thirds of independent voters support a
        balanced approach, as do 55 percent of Republicans and 53 percent of
        self-described tea party movement supporters.

        A Quinnipiac University poll
        released last week had similar findings. The survey indicated that
        two-thirds of the public supported a deal that included spending cuts as
        well as tax increases for wealthy Americans and corporations. Nearly
        nine out of ten Democrats and two-thirds of independents questioned
        supported the inclusion of tax increases. Republicans in that poll were
        divided on the issue.

        A Gallup poll
        Monday asked a different question, but also suggests that Americans
        want compromise. According to the survey, two-thirds say the people who
        represent them in government should agree to a compromise plan to raise
        the debt ceiling, even if it’s a proposal with which they disagree. Only
        27 percent say they would like their federal lawmaker to hold out for
        the basic plan they want, even if the debt ceiling is not raised by the
        deadline. According to the poll, 72 percent of independents, 69 percent
        of Democrats and 57 percent of Republicans say their lawmaker should
        agree to a compromise plan.

        The majority of Americans really want a compromise, and to get this shit going before the economy crashes.

      • Thank you, Will, in proving that it’s people like Zach who are the problem, not Obama or the Dems.

      • But you’re forgetting FREEDOM

      • A “critical mass” is not a majority.  It’s a sufficient number to make a difference.  Learn to read.

        There’s also a profound difference between “people think taxes should be raised” and “people want their own taxes raised.”

        Sorry if I don’t buy into the rest of the “loomin crisis” bullshit.  You certainly look very funny worrying about it though.

      • This is where, if I were talking to you in a manner where you could see me, I would be making the slow jerk gesture as demonstrated here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UJ9Ggs3Dkk

        Because you’re being so pedantic it’s amounting to rhetorical masturbation. Also, because it’s disrespectful to the bullshit you’re offering. Which is just that. Bullshit. Empty, pedantic, bullshit.

      • Unless it’s a link to Obama’s mythical spending cut proposal, I’m just not clicking.  Nice try though.

      • I’m not trying anything. I’m disrespecting you by referring to a comedy sketch where a man pantomimes masturbation, because that’s what you’re verbally doing. Also, I’m calling you a shithead. Bam.

      • Again, you are either a liar of an idiot.

        http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/19/polls-americans-want-compromise-in-debt-ceiling-standoff/

        An ABC/Washington Post poll
        released Tuesday indicates that more than six in ten Americans say any
        agreement on the deficit needs to include a combination of spending cuts
        and new taxes. According to the survey, large majorities of Democrats
        and independent voters support the combined approach, with nearly half
        of Republicans also in agreement.

        An NBC/Wall Street Journal poll
        also out Tuesday indicates that 58 percent of Americans support the
        president’s proposal, which would reduce the federal deficit by $4
        trillion dollars over the next decade by cutting federal spending,
        increasing taxes on corporations and the wealthy, and reducing the level
        of spending on Medicare. Thirty-six percent of those questioned say
        they support a proposal by Republicans in Congress which would reduce
        the Federal deficit by $2.5 trillion over the next decade by cutting
        Federal spending and would not raise taxes on corporations or the
        wealthy.

        A CBS News poll
        released Monday indicates that two-thirds of Americans say any
        agreement should include spending cuts and tax increases, with 28
        percent saying a deal should only include spending cuts and 3 percent
        saying it should only include tax increases. According to the survey,
        there is little partisan divide on the question. More than seven out of
        ten Democrats and more than two-thirds of independent voters support a
        balanced approach, as do 55 percent of Republicans and 53 percent of
        self-described tea party movement supporters.

        A Quinnipiac University poll
        released last week had similar findings. The survey indicated that
        two-thirds of the public supported a deal that included spending cuts as
        well as tax increases for wealthy Americans and corporations. Nearly
        nine out of ten Democrats and two-thirds of independents questioned
        supported the inclusion of tax increases. Republicans in that poll were
        divided on the issue.

        A Gallup poll
        Monday asked a different question, but also suggests that Americans
        want compromise. According to the survey, two-thirds say the people who
        represent them in government should agree to a compromise plan to raise
        the debt ceiling, even if it’s a proposal with which they disagree. Only
        27 percent say they would like their federal lawmaker to hold out for
        the basic plan they want, even if the debt ceiling is not raised by the
        deadline. According to the poll, 72 percent of independents, 69 percent
        of Democrats and 57 percent of Republicans say their lawmaker should
        agree to a compromise plan.

        The majority of Americans really want a compromise, and to get this shit going before the economy crashes.

  2. I don’t think it’ll pass because it lacks specific language, and because Democrats will not agree to specific language that cuts significant spending.

    But it does mirror Obama’s plan, in the sense that he hasn’t provided any specific language either.

    • You are either a liar or a spectacular moron.

      The vast majority of all plans offered by Obama ever since this “debate” began have been spending. The Repblicans outright turned away a plan that offered up 83% spending cuts to account for the budget control. That’s over $4 out of every $5 taken out of the deficit done so by cutting programs and not by raising taxes.

    • You are either a liar or a spectacular moron.

      The vast majority of all plans offered by Obama ever since this “debate” began have been spending. The Repblicans outright turned away a plan that offered up 83% spending cuts to account for the budget control. That’s over $4 out of every $5 taken out of the deficit done so by cutting programs and not by raising taxes.

      • “all plans offered by Obama”
        Link to one, please.  All I’ve heard was a vague reference to means-testing for Medicare.  There have been no other offers made.

        Does that mean you’re a liar or a spectacular moron?

      • You really aren’t paying attention, are you?

        For starters, Obama got behind the Gang of Six budget proposal. The one HANLON LINKED TO IN THIS FREAKING POST. Significant spending cuts. Republicans turned it down.

        Before that, Obama offered a plan that was 83% spending cuts, 17% revenue increases. Significant spending cuts. Republicans turned it down.

        You know what? Those two are enough. In fact, if you can’t even keep track of the proposal mentioned in this fucking post,  I can’t really trust you to give half a shit about any link I offer.

      • Try to keep up. The Gang of Six proposal is just generalizations.  Obama’s only behind it because it has no specific cuts. 

        When there’s a version cutting hundreds of billions of dollars from government, we’ll see how he’s behind it.

        It appears the true goal here is to discourage the conservative base by getting Republicans to sign on to tax hikes.

        The reality is that you’d have to be an idiot to raise taxes on this economy.

        “Obama offered a plan that was 83% spending cuts, 17% revenue increases.”
        Link, please.  Really — I’d like to see it.

      • And the goalposts go flying!

        http://www.economist.com/node/18928600?story_id=18928600
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-can-the-gop-still-say-yes/2011/07/05/gHQAfTqpyH_blog.html
        http://blogs.forbes.com/rickungar/2011/06/30/is-declaring-the-debt-ceiling-unconstitutional-the-only-way-out/

        You want specifics? Fuck you, you’re not getting specifics. An 83 to 17 ratio was offered, and it was turned down in favor of screaming “IT MUST BE ALL CUTS!” without offering anything besides insignificant discretionary spending that not only doesn’t address the problem, but castrates socially valuable programs based purely on ideology.

      • “You want specifics? Fuck you, you’re not getting specifics.”

        Of course we’re not. I already told you that.  Because it’s complete bullshit.

      • Obama’s plan isn’t any less specific than the GOP’s “Cut Cap and Balance” plan. Both threw out fairly generic numbers under the assumption that once we agree on a framework we’ll be able to figure out the specifics later.

        I’ve look at both sides and seen NO plans that specify what programs will land on the chopping block.

  3. I think I just saw my new favorite youtube video. That was full of win, and so much what Zach is doing.

  4. I just saw this and thought that it put it best.

    http://www.wtfnoway.com/

    Hopefully the link will show up.

    Kind’a scary when you look at it/think about it…

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